{"id":13955,"date":"2020-10-03T02:09:47","date_gmt":"2020-10-02T18:09:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.visakanv.com\/blog\/?p=13955"},"modified":"2026-04-22T12:16:30","modified_gmt":"2026-04-22T04:16:30","slug":"hecklers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.visakanv.com\/blog\/hecklers\/","title":{"rendered":"\ud83d\udde3 hecklers"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about hecklers lately. There are a bunch of related-ish words, with varying connotations:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>haters<\/strong> \u2013 simple, succinct, memorable, but can have the unfortunate side-effect of implying that the criticism is unfounded or unwarranted. (Kanye once said &#8220;haters are fans too&#8221;, which I reference often in conversations.)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>critics<\/strong> \u2013 doesn&#8217;t adequately capture the disruptive nature of heckling. You can have constructive critics. Being oversensitive to criticism is a bad look. But it&#8217;s also true that a lot of criticism is written from a rather tedious <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>objectors<\/strong> \u2013 this typically brings to mind &#8220;conscientious objector&#8221;, which people do in defiance of conscription. I don&#8217;t know if you can really &#8220;object&#8221; to an individual; you typically object to state action, or maybe to a group. See also: dissident. <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>status regulators<\/strong> \u2013 this is a useful description of a very broad group of people \u2013 really, status regulators exist in every single group, and I&#8217;d maybe go so far as to say, with the rare exception of a minority of weirdos and mystic-types, <em>all<\/em> people tend to do at least some amount of status regulation in their groups and communities.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>trolls<\/strong> \u2013 the &#8220;true&#8221; meaning of troll has been diluted somewhat. In my opinion, trolling was originally a kind of cheeky, mischievous, trickster activity \u2013 goading people into disagreements, getting them flustered. You could make the case that Socrates was a troll. But trolling has since come to be conflated with malicious targeted harrassment. Being oversensitive to silly trolls is a bad look.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><em>(I realize while writing this that trolls are actually very difficult to talk about \u2013 it&#8217;s like talking about sarcasm, or irony. There are layers to it. Is the person self-aware about their trollish behavior? What about concern trolls? It&#8217;s complicated! But that&#8217;s not what I want to get into in this post.)<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As my public profile grows (23,000 Twitter followers at the time of writing), I&#8217;ve increasingly found myself running into people who don&#8217;t like me, and\/or what I&#8217;m doing. There are a few different kinds classes of responses I get. I would say that almost all of them can be interpreted through the lens of status regulation, which is helpful.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I was vaguely thinking about writing &#8220;how to deal with haters&#8221;, but I didn&#8217;t like the idea of that, because of the&#8230; fundamental attribution error? &#8220;Hater&#8221; is a strong term, it implies that the person has strong sentiments, is holding strongly on to their position.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Then I was reminded that Obama and Seinfeld once <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/-cOLF9k6FAw?t=956\">had a bit of a conversation about hecklers<\/a>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Obama: Do you still get hecklers? What&#8217;s your theory of handling hecklers?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Seinfeld: I say, you know what, you seem upset. I&#8217;m so sorry, I know that&#8217;s not why you came in here. Let&#8217;s talk.<\/p>\n<cite>Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee, S07E01<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>And it occurred to me that that&#8217;s probably the right frame. And if it&#8217;s not, well, if it&#8217;s good enough for Obama and Seinfeld, it&#8217;s good enough for me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u2731 <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>i wish I could really get inside the minds of some haters to really know what they really think. 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My friends who have successful channels never tell me to do this bc they know better. the right priority is to keep making videos, and manage your psychology such that you continue to enjoy making videos.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>you can reverse engineer this advice to understand where it\u2019s coming from, it\u2019s a systemic misunderstanding, like thinking the sun goes around the earth. successful channels look glitzy. but it\u2019s not the glitz that made them successful. it\u2019s success that afforded them glitz. I&#8217;ve called this the Spray Tan Fallacy<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>___ <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Links:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>a blogpost about dealing with hecklers at a presentation. <a href=\"https:\/\/medium.com\/@speakerhubHQ\/12-ways-to-handle-a-heckler-as-a-professional-speaker-96448df32741\">https:\/\/medium.com\/@speakerhubHQ\/12-ways-to-handle-a-heckler-as-a-professional-speaker-96448df32741<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>8 types of hecklers <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vulture.com\/2011\/03\/eight-types-of-hecklers-and-the-comedians-who-shut-them-up.html\">https:\/\/www.vulture.com\/2011\/03\/eight-types-of-hecklers-and-the-comedians-who-shut-them-up.html<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>worst hecklers <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vice.com\/en_us\/article\/yvezkw\/comedians-worst-heckles\">https:\/\/www.vice.com\/en_us\/article\/yvezkw\/comedians-worst-heckles<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about hecklers lately. 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