{"id":1627,"date":"2011-03-01T18:14:58","date_gmt":"2011-03-01T18:14:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/visaisahero.wordpress.com\/?p=1627"},"modified":"2015-02-18T17:14:14","modified_gmt":"2015-02-18T17:14:14","slug":"conversation-doubt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.visakanv.com\/archives\/2011\/03\/01\/conversation-doubt\/","title":{"rendered":"conversation- doubt"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">so ever since like a few weeks after i enlisted<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">i&#8217;ve been keeping track of my life, which i never bothered doing properly before<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">and it&#8217;s been awesome, everything&#8217;s been getting a lot better<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">i&#8217;ve managed to find creative solutions to most of my recurring problems and stuff like that, generally everything is improving in every imaginable way<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">i no longer feel like existentialist melancholy or other evil-painful things<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">&#8220;keeping track&#8221; is so vague<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">every little detail you can imagine<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">i keep careful control, but it implodes once in aw hile<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">i don&#8217;t keep CONTROL<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">i just keep track<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">the control happens almost naturally, subconsciously<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">what gets measured gets managed<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">&#8220;keeping track&#8221; of every little detail&#8230; that&#8217;s not living is it<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">live and let live<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">it doesn&#8217;t take much effort!<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">like 5-10 minutes a day<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">still too much effort<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">and it adds a lot of value to my life because I no longer have extended periods of emptiness where i don&#8217;t know hat happened<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">I do have some periods of emptiness but they&#8217;re nice\/pleasant\/meaningful<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">i have my writing to gain insight<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">i write too! I write even more, now<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">big picture, everything connected etc<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">instead of small details<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">the small details start to fade away in the long term trends<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">i&#8217;ve managed to break away from narrative fallacies that I used to use to explain everything<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">it was the hardest thing to start doing, i&#8217;m naturally an improvisational don&#8217;t give a fuck type guy<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">my main motivation was NOT to feel like my 2 years in NS is\/was a waste of my time<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">what do you do when you have absolute freedom?<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">whatever i feel like<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">like what<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">we DO have absolute freedom, we just don&#8217;t realize it often enough<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">yes precisely<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">I mean you could look at it from many ways and describe it in many ways but essentially we have far more control and choice than we realise<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">i know<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">a painful realisation for me was to acknowledge that for all my loathing of routines and structure<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">I actually was keeping to a very rigid one in absence of conscious ones<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">my subconscious led me into making the same decisions over and over again,into the same situations, same old same old<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">he who cannot obey himself will be commanded<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">by forces beyond his control, be it from within or without<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">so I wasn&#8217;t cool with that, once i came aware of it (by keeping track)<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">anyway<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">long story short I&#8217;ve pretty much become a far more awesome person than I was a year ago, and I can see how I&#8217;m going to become far more awesome in the future (awesome being a summarization of a whole bunch of skills and ideas and perceptions and blah blah good stuff)<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">but<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">as a result of all this I&#8217;ve found myself a bit less tolerant of some of my friends, a bit more anxious, eager, impatient<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">i don&#8217;t know how to describe it because while I say anxious, I&#8217;m more at peace now than I ever was<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">at the same time I guess I have an increasingly acute sense of awareness when something is a waste of time<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">superiority complex perhaps?<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">and I am the sort to never think of anything as a waste of time<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">there&#8217;s always something you can learn, always something you can experience, figure out, see in a new way<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">no leh in fact I feel far less superior now than I used to<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">I increasingly feel like that there&#8217;s no such thing as natural talent, or that I&#8217;m in any way better than anyone else<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">I used to think I was some big fuck seriously omg<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3134682674\">I got it; what I feel above all else is out-of-context<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_2954286567\">I need a frame of reference<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">the\u00a0past<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>02:11&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_1821425944\">I mean I am more than what I was, at least I think I am, though I have my doubts of course<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3123417659\">Godels theorem!<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_2963329705\">i cannot prove myself within the context of myself<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3957099796\">there are errors inherent in self-referencing<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_1567721797\">I cannot know if I am making up stuff to make myself feel good or bad<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_2876776500\">I cannot be aware of my own subconscious deception, intense scrutiny nothwithstanding<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3127097357\">an easier way would be to find someone else who&#8217;s been through something similar<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_2058349445\">(i&#8217;m sorry I&#8217;m making you listen to all this and pretend that you care)<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">i dont have much response to external things, especially now since my internal workings have ceased to be of any good to myself<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_126610730\">ouch<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_2313346042\">how did that happen<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">i dont know<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_4111652125\">jialat.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">it&#8217;s good actually. i breeze through a days being indifferent<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">maybe it&#8217;s the weather. cold as ice.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_135096748\">I enjoy moments like that sometimes<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3625154625\">the other day I was staying in camp alone<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3944832736\">so peaceful<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_4271001880\">not a soul around<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3975486966\">vast empty space and intense solitude<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">yeah it&#8217;s like it here most of the time<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">especially when i&#8217;m alone at home<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">i like the two extremes. very silent or very chaotic when we have parties<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_2005267564\">I also like kopi<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_2887169538\">I&#8217;m a very kopi person<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3281820072\">about 4-6 people, less than 4 needs solid conversationalists, not easy to find<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3295904299\">i often wonder if partying has a dehumanizing effect<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">life has a dehumanizing effect<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_2416568788\">hahaha<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">most of the time<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_1307997281\">not intrinsically though<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">what does it even mean to be &#8220;human&#8221; anyway<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">we&#8217;re all basically aninams<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">animals<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_1882675481\">okay I can expand this<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3774470302\">I would choose to include monkeys and dolphins and it&#8217;ll stil be valid<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_1628622499\">a sense of individual worth and relevance in context to the larger social unit<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3765545373\">so when I say dehumanizing i mean like, de-facing<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">i dont have much individual worth<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_206295264\">I&#8217;m very torn on the subject<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3576042497\">i can argue for a lot of different positions and i&#8217;m not fully convinced by many<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3385867588\">what is the self, what is consciousness? difficult questions that both seem to be leading towards non-entities- which make sense but seem contrary to intuition and experience<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3762257275\">so I suppose in the CONTEXT of intuition and experience, the self can exist, and matter, even if it doesn&#8217;t in reality, because as long as we are creatures of intuition and experience then the concept is still relevant (at least within that context)<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_4268073069\">kinda like how we&#8217;re typing on interfaces that are actually comprised of bits and ones and zeroes<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_4208038230\">so do we have value as individual? we can choose to if we want to in the context of our experience<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_197564587\">I&#8217;m pushed towards thinking that if it has to get so complicated, there must be a flaw in the question\/premises<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_4006300539\">and that I think drawing lines between individuals is the first mistake we make<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_4188612251\">I am me and you are you, physically, yes, sure, it&#8217;s obvious<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3162700576\">but almost all of us are more than ourselves in one way or another, in many ways, really, and we are the sum of many things, and ultimately there&#8217;s no such thing as an individual to begin with<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_1249008850\">so again, can we have individual worth<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_2560985404\">i would not make sense outside of the context of the whole, the way a wave does not make sense outside of the context of the ocean<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_508406082\">so what is the worth of a wave? its contribution to the ocean, in a sense<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_394333154\">and perhaps similarly the value of a human being is his or her contribution to humanity- and by that I don&#8217;t mean like inventing something or writing a book or being a politician or whatever<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_2672812379\">but living, speaking, thinking, processing, acting, being, becoming<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_2336898320\">ah well.<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_2459281464\">does that make sense?<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">i guess<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=650823914\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"You\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/186335_650823914_762704_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_1822824026\">kinda like<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_431502888\">bees, or ants, but far more complex times many many<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3956379947\">I was reading this beautiful description by a biologist of language as a living organism<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_3394188393\">and how people build it and put it together, fervently, with abandon, subconsciously, unintentionally<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_4292697887\">some people jump at this and go &#8220;omg we&#8217;re a hive mind working towards a singularity&#8221;<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_1359586128\">but I think it&#8217;s a bit more rich and complex and beautiful than that and I get a lot of pleasure out of contemplating it, it&#8217;s almost spiritual<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_9277048\">this idea of a kind of almost divine order and complexity that begins to arise out of simple patterns and deviations and sheer randomness<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_2941353992\">i struggle to express\/convey that, though. I&#8217;d love to, if I could, and I ought to. That would be something.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=713896580\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Izzy Liyana Harris\" src=\"http:\/\/profile.ak.fbcdn.net\/hprofile-ak-snc4\/187329_713896580_3922227_q.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div>02:39<\/p>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">write it down<\/div>\n<div id=\"msg_713896580_undefined\">copy and paste<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>so ever since like a few weeks after i enlisted i&#8217;ve been keeping track of my life, which i never bothered doing properly before and it&#8217;s been awesome, everything&#8217;s been getting a lot better i&#8217;ve managed to find creative solutions to most of my recurring problems and stuff like that,&hellip; <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[23],"tags":[116],"class_list":["post-1627","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-reflections","tag-conversations-2"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p5gxNz-qf","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.visakanv.com\/archives\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1627","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.visakanv.com\/archives\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.visakanv.com\/archives\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.visakanv.com\/archives\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.visakanv.com\/archives\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1627"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.visakanv.com\/archives\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1627\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":10076,"href":"https:\/\/www.visakanv.com\/archives\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1627\/revisions\/10076"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.visakanv.com\/archives\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1627"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.visakanv.com\/archives\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1627"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.visakanv.com\/archives\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1627"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}